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Onr BNP counciller is one BNP counciller too many 
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Posted: 02:22 Nov 22 2002
Young, Nazi and Proud????
As you may have seen on the news tonight, Blackburn has gained its first BNP councillor. They won the local Mill Hill By-election by 16 votes - completely demolishing the Lib Dem and Tory votes in the area.
This is in my opinion a disaster for the North West as it has shown that the BNP can get themselves elected on a by-election level as well as general local elections around here and come 2004 (when all of Blackburn with Darwen Council are up for election) they are likely to make a strong showing.
A few things have come to light over the course of today while conducting normal election day activity for one of the main contesting parties. Firstly, they will stop at nothing to discredit their rivals. I am used to opposition leafets bending the truth a little and using statistics to their advantage, just as my party does with their mailings - its what political language does *shrugs* However, the BNP put out a leaflet in MIll Hill that was made to look like a Liberal Democrat Leaflet and was extremely offensive. The material made out that the Lib Dems were in support of peadophiles amongst other things and includes an image of the party logo made out of condoms and syringes.
Given that prior to the by-electon this was a Lib Dem seat i think its clear what has happened her and i beleive that it is a conributing factor to the massive decrease in the Liberal vote.
The second thing that struck me was the massive increase in younger voters turning out at the poll station to vote BNP. From behavior (such as not knowing that you had to go to a particular polling station to cast your vote) it was clear that many of these people who were in their early to mid twenties ahd never been to vote before and somehow the BNP managed to get them out. How?? There are hundreds of young people out there that despise the BNP and their poicies. How do we get them out to vote?
And the last thing is probably the most disturbing. While out 'knocking up' and on poll stations various members of other parties were filmed in close up by the BNP. Why? Are they going to be made out as supporters or are they being earmarked for something else??
I know that one counciller doesn't seem like much, but i'm genuinely worried about what could happen in one and a half years time if the severely concentrated efforts of the three main parties can't keep this element out of one by-election
(Edited by Sydney 27/11/2002 09:07)
This is in my opinion a disaster for the North West as it has shown that the BNP can get themselves elected on a by-election level as well as general local elections around here and come 2004 (when all of Blackburn with Darwen Council are up for election) they are likely to make a strong showing.
A few things have come to light over the course of today while conducting normal election day activity for one of the main contesting parties. Firstly, they will stop at nothing to discredit their rivals. I am used to opposition leafets bending the truth a little and using statistics to their advantage, just as my party does with their mailings - its what political language does *shrugs* However, the BNP put out a leaflet in MIll Hill that was made to look like a Liberal Democrat Leaflet and was extremely offensive. The material made out that the Lib Dems were in support of peadophiles amongst other things and includes an image of the party logo made out of condoms and syringes.
Given that prior to the by-electon this was a Lib Dem seat i think its clear what has happened her and i beleive that it is a conributing factor to the massive decrease in the Liberal vote.
The second thing that struck me was the massive increase in younger voters turning out at the poll station to vote BNP. From behavior (such as not knowing that you had to go to a particular polling station to cast your vote) it was clear that many of these people who were in their early to mid twenties ahd never been to vote before and somehow the BNP managed to get them out. How?? There are hundreds of young people out there that despise the BNP and their poicies. How do we get them out to vote?
And the last thing is probably the most disturbing. While out 'knocking up' and on poll stations various members of other parties were filmed in close up by the BNP. Why? Are they going to be made out as supporters or are they being earmarked for something else??
I know that one counciller doesn't seem like much, but i'm genuinely worried about what could happen in one and a half years time if the severely concentrated efforts of the three main parties can't keep this element out of one by-election
(Edited by Sydney 27/11/2002 09:07)
I wonder how many of the people who voted for the BNP knew they were voting for Nazis?
How many knew they were voting for a party that wants to have an all-white state?
How many knew the BNP wants to ban any public display of gay affection, or any "positive" reference to homosexuality in the media?
How many knew the Nazi's now-resigned Youth Leader, Mark Collett, said that: "Winston Churchill was a ******* **** who fought a pointless war againt other whites standing for their race", and thought that children were safer in 1930s Germany than in Oldham?
More worringly, how many would actually care?
This is as good an argument for educating the voters as any.
That said ...
Anyone who votes for the BNP is a disgrace to the country and their fellow human beings. There are three possible explanations: they're thick, they're deluding themselves, or they support Nazis. The first lot should damn well check out the polices for the party they're voting for. The other two groups are indifensible examples of human excreta.
I think some good old fashioned Medieval-style flagellation is in order!
How many knew they were voting for a party that wants to have an all-white state?
How many knew the BNP wants to ban any public display of gay affection, or any "positive" reference to homosexuality in the media?
How many knew the Nazi's now-resigned Youth Leader, Mark Collett, said that: "Winston Churchill was a ******* **** who fought a pointless war againt other whites standing for their race", and thought that children were safer in 1930s Germany than in Oldham?
More worringly, how many would actually care?
This is as good an argument for educating the voters as any.
That said ...
Anyone who votes for the BNP is a disgrace to the country and their fellow human beings. There are three possible explanations: they're thick, they're deluding themselves, or they support Nazis. The first lot should damn well check out the polices for the party they're voting for. The other two groups are indifensible examples of human excreta.
I think some good old fashioned Medieval-style flagellation is in order!
Posted: 03:57 Nov 22 2002 Isn't that the same as the catholic church?
by Byron
...ban any public display of gay affection, or any "positive" reference to homosexuality in the media?...
Posted: 07:59 Nov 22 2002
Part of the problem is people don't work with the system, I saw someonme at college putting up anti B.N.P and pro A.N.L posters today. The guy's 18, He could have run for election himself if he felt so strongly. When I'm 18 that's what I'll do if I have to. On the subject of the leaflets isn't that defemation, can't it get them disqualified?
Posted: 09:53 Nov 22 2002
This is pretty depressing news, but not entirely surprising considering the area - Mill Hill. Anyone who has lived in Blackburn knows that it has a fairly high percentage of asians living there - one of the few areas you will find Asian people living is Mill Hill. The area has for a long long time been strongly racist and those that have moved into the area have probably found a lot of resistance. I think many people in the Mill Hill area consider it to be the 'white stronghold' of Blackburn.
The BNP probably targetted this area heaviest because they knew they had the most chance of finding support. Disturbing, but thankfully, not every area of Blackburn has the same attitude Mill Hill does.
The BNP probably targetted this area heaviest because they knew they had the most chance of finding support. Disturbing, but thankfully, not every area of Blackburn has the same attitude Mill Hill does.
Posted: 12:44 Nov 22 2002 Oooh we could start another debate here...Corporal Punishment - For or Against?
I think some good old fashioned Medieval-style flagellation is in order!
(Edited by Funky Monkey 22/11/2002 13:59)
Posted: 13:59 Nov 22 2002 
by Byron
Anyone who votes for the BNP is a disgrace to the country and their fellow human beings. There are three possible explanations: they're thick, they're deluding themselves, or they support Nazis.
And I thought you said they were entitled to their opinion
by Byron
I think some good old fashioned Medieval-style flagellation is in order!
1) not Nazis
2) rascists are not stupid. Narrow-minded, sure, but not stupid, it's their opinion
3) maybe if they Government stopped bringing out so many anti-white laws, such as positive discrimination, a lot more people wouldn't go to the other ludicros extrmeme. Just a thought...
Posted: 15:48 Nov 22 2002 I'm not aware of any such laws. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to direct me to the relevant legislation?
by KieranFrost
3) maybe if they Government stopped bringing out so many anti-white laws, such as positive discrimination, a lot more people wouldn't go to the other ludicros extrmeme. Just a thought...
Posted: 15:58 Nov 22 2002
that every fourth (or fifth, something like that) MP must be of an ethnic minority. That public schools must take issues of race into consideration for every decision you make.
Posted: 16:02 Nov 22 2002 You know, when I said 'direct me towards', I was kind of hoping you could provide links or references. I've searched Google and several newspaper websites for some mention of these - one would assume - fairly controversial Acts and have come up with absolutely nothing. It's possible that my websearch skills just aren't up to scratch, so again, if you would be so kind, urls detailing, or names and dates of passed legislation please?
by KieranFrost
that every fourth (or fifth, something like that) MP must be of an ethnic minority. That public schools must take issues of race into consideration for every decision you make.
Posted: 16:30 Nov 22 2002
Sorry, don't have any
Posted: 16:55 Nov 22 2002 
I don't know of any actual legislation about positive discrimination (one of the site lawyer types might be able to help with that?) but i know it has been actively encouraged in the past.
Personally, i find positive discrimination just as loathsome as the negative kind. Discrimination is discrimination, whichever way it swings.
Personally, i find positive discrimination just as loathsome as the negative kind. Discrimination is discrimination, whichever way it swings.
Posted: 17:05 Nov 22 2002
by KieranFrost
And I thought you said they were entitled to their opinion
Indeed they are. And I'm entitled to lay into them for it!
1) not Nazis
Yes Nazis. Pop over to (warning: racist nutters' site) www.stormfront.org/forums , and take a look at all the swasticas by BNP members' names. Watch them talk - "the eternal Jew", "Aryan race", "subhumans" - or look at their clothes - SS runes, "88" (code for Heil Hitler) - and the books on sale at their meetings - The Turner Diaries, a little thing called Mein Kampf.
They may not announce it, but the evidence is overwhelming: they're Nazis.
2) rascists are not stupid. Narrow-minded, sure, but not stupid, it's their opinion
You either have to be congenitally thick, sick or deluding yourself if you believe the BNP's gibbering Fascist crap. Not all Nazis are of course stupid, and it'd be dangerous to assume that, but just listen to even supposedly inteligent BNP members like Mark Collett - "Aids is a friendly disease", "Children were saver in Germany in the 1930s then Oldham today" - and you'll realize they're not all there up top.
Not only is this sort of thinking invidious and plain nasty - that there should be no measures to help ethinic minorities at a distinict disadvantage in society incase it stirs up racist lunatics - you've also come up with nothing to back yourself up with.
3) maybe if they Government stopped bringing out so many anti-white laws, such as positive discrimination, a lot more people wouldn't go to the other ludicros extrmeme. Just a thought...
Please post a link to the relevent legislation, or you're obviously just trolling.
Posted: 17:35 Nov 22 2002
I did a search and I can't find any anti white laws either , although what I have noticed is that and I'm kinda going off on a tangent here but , the police force can specify that they want to recruit people from ethnic minority backgrounds if you search for it on google there are loads of links to specific areas , and activly promote this , yet I have never seen then on a recruitment drive for White police officers, now is this not a case of discrimination against white people?
I do get very confused as to what is classed as racial discrimination when this goes on yet if I was to avertise a job for whites only would I not be being convicted for this?
I do get very confused as to what is classed as racial discrimination when this goes on yet if I was to avertise a job for whites only would I not be being convicted for this?
Posted: 17:50 Nov 22 2002
by Sweet-Sange
I did a search and I can't find any anti white laws either , although what I have noticed is that and I'm kinda going off on a tangent here but , the police force can specify that they want to recruit people from ethnic minority backgrounds if you search for it on google there are loads of links to specific areas , and activly promote this , yet I have never seen then on a recruitment drive for White police officers, now is this not a case of discrimination against white people?[/b]
No, because the overwhelming majority of their recruits are already white, there's no need to ask for more white recruits, they're already getting them. They're not saying "we'll only take ethinic minorities", they're saying they're like to have more apply because they're currently under-represented.
Once they apply, they'll have to pass the same recruitment tests and training as everyone else. There's no discrimination.
But no one advertises for "blacks/Asians/gays" only either, that would be illegal.
I do get very confused as to what is classed as racial discrimination when this goes on yet if I was to avertise a job for whites only would I not be being convicted for this?
Posted: 17:57 Nov 22 2002 
This thinking isn't nasty, your reply post, yes that could be classed as nasty, mine...no. Positive discrimination, BY DEFINITION, is rascist. And no, I don't believe ethnic minorities should be helped out any more than white people. They should be treated equal, which means no 'extra help'. All it does is imply the minorites can't do the job as well as white people so they need 'help'. They can't survive so they need 'help'.
by Byron
Not only is this sort of thinking invidious and plain nasty - that there should be no measures to help ethinic minorities at a distinict disadvantage in society incase it stirs up racist lunatics - you've also come up with nothing to back yourself up with.
Please post a link to the relevent legislation, or you're obviously just trolling.
I believe in equality, which means everyone is treated equal, which means no-one, white, black or gay is 'helped' over the others.
Posted: 18:27 Nov 22 2002
by KieranFrost
This thinking isn't nasty, your reply post, yes that could be classed as nasty, mine...no. Positive discrimination, BY DEFINITION, is rascist.
That's why it's illegal.
And no, I don't believe ethnic minorities should be helped out any more than white people. They should be treated equal, which means no 'extra help'. All it does is imply the minorites can't do the job as well as white people so they need 'help'. They can't survive so they need 'help'.
Redressing decades of systematic discrimination requires a little work, does it not? That point is they're not equal at the moment, and pro-active action is required to help ethnic minorities become equal. This doesn't mean discriminating against white people, it means measures to help redress the glaring imbalance.
If we hadn't discriminated arbitrarily for decades, none of this would be nessesary. You reap what you sow.
I believe in equality, which means everyone is treated equal, which means no-one, white, black or gay is 'helped' over the others.
So, where's the links to anti-white legislation you claimed existed?
(Edited by Desire 22/11/2002 19:07)
Posted: 18:44 Nov 22 2002