Dang I had no idea that was there

Maybe it could add a new spin to the films.

"Yo Vordamont, ya mean magick mutha, ya crusing for a brusin with ma crew, ya know whad ah mean bitch?"

Perhaps not.

It wasn't me

We get all the stupid vandals doing it to the tubes all the time. Bring back hanging, thats what i say

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by Byron
Maybe it could add a new spin to the films.

"Yo Vordamont, ya mean magick mutha, ya crusing for a brusin with ma crew, ya know whad ah mean -----?"

Perhaps not.

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LOL!

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by DM
Bring back hanging, thats what i say

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Hmm, nice...

This is so true, people especially a lot of the young today have absolutely no respect for other peoples property, places for the community, etc. its all me me me, I can do whatever I want and ignore everyone else.
and this is mild language for me on this issue

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by Spikes Strumpet
This is so true, people especially a lot of the young today have absolutely no respect for other peoples property, places for the community, etc. its all me me me, I can do whatever I want and ignore everyone else.

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You shouldn't generalize like that, you can't say that every single 'young' person has no respect for other people's property and all that. I do

bloody yobs...makes me sick...i think if coaught they should suffer the fate of having their property and belongings vandalised before their eyes then have their bodies graffitied with indelible ink.......
bloody townies most like!

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by Acker
You shouldn't generalize like that, you can't say that every single 'young' person has no respect for other people's property and all that.

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Spikes strumpet didn't say "every single" she said "a lot of the young today ," which is true.

I find it hard to care because there are worse things happening in this country than some stupid train.

We know that in the grand scheme of things the potter train isn't particularly important, but I think the point we are trying to make is that it seems that to many young people don't give a damn about anything other than themselves anymore, which gives rise to many of these 'worse things.'

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by Lioness
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Spikes strumpet didn't say "every single" she said "a lot of the young today ," which is true.

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Which infers that a lot of "the young" of yesteryear were far more respectful, and today's youth are peculiarly bad.

"The loathesome, letcherous young, who are ruinous to our lives, who casually mock our most sacred traditions" ... written in the late 14th century!

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by JtB
I find it hard to care because there are worse things happening in this country than some stupid train.

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Ah but to some people it may be a stupid train .... but to others its a sign of our history. I like the looks of old trains - it didn't bother me that the train had been used in Harry Potter, but more likely that the damage had been done purely because it was used in the film as they knew it would attrack public attention

Maybe I've been watching the Restoration programme on BBC2 waaaaaaay too much recently. But it seems that a huge majority of buildings that they are trying to save and restore were vandalised, graffitti'd or just hit by arson attacks. Out of the few buildings tonight - a Kent monument had both graffitt and been wrecked by fire only a few years back, and the Brighton pier had an arson attack in March of this year.

It just seems like pure disrespect to me that people, kids, whoever in general seem to like destroying things

And yes there are worse things in the country like muggings, burglars, murders - all real nasty things, but at the basis of it all is a lack of disrespect for others, anger or damn right pure hatred.

(Edited by Samphirette 10/09/2003 00:55)

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by JtB
I find it hard to care because there are worse things happening in this country than some stupid train.

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Seconded. And with Byron on the comments about the young going back pretty much as far as written history. Sorry to say that an interest in heritage and history only seems to come with age (in general, before a young history buff jumps in). I really can't say that things seem to have got any worse in my short time on this mud ball, and going by written evidence it certainly seems there has been no significant change over the years.

I like pretty things as much as the next person, and that includes pretty steam engines. But it is just a thing, not a person, and really registers pretty low on my concerns. The Middle East, the US presidency, leadership of this country, unemployment, these and much more will always cause me greater concern than someone spray painting an old train.

I should also point out that most of our really old buildings are covered in grafitti dating back to the early modern period or even the middle ages. Except grafitti that is over 50 years old we don't call grafitti. We call it history.

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by Jayjay
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Seconded. And with Byron on the comments about the young going back pretty much as far as written history. Sorry to say that an interest in heritage and history only seems to come with age (in general, before a young history buff jumps in). I really can't say that things seem to have got any worse in my short time on this mud ball, and going by written evidence it certainly seems there has been no significant change over the years.

I like pretty things as much as the next person, and that includes pretty steam engines. But it is just a thing, not a person, and really registers pretty low on my concerns. The Middle East, the US presidency, leadership of this country, unemployment, these and much more will always cause me greater concern than someone spray painting an old train.

I should also point out that most of our really old buildings are covered in grafitti dating back to the early modern period or even the middle ages. Except grafitti that is over 50 years old we don't call grafitti. We call it history.

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A shame I can't quote some of the history left by our Viking forefathers in the Orkeny Islands here. (Anyone who saw the first episode of Simon Schama's A History of Britain will know why.)

The contemporary conception of this country's "heritage" is nothing but Victorian propaganda, which our morally repressed ancestors came up with to blot out the uncomfortably recent legacy of the Georgeans -- an era which makes today's society look like the Dudley Mother and Baby Association Annual Baptismal by comparison. (And while those fine upstanding subjects of Queen "time for a tincture" Vic were constructing said mythology, they were also busy raking it in from the most prolific government-funded narcotics cartel in history.)

So outrage over our dissolute youth's disrespect for our traditions rings a little hollow to me. We're no worse -- in all likelihood a good deal better -- than we ever were. Who knows how old the dastardly dooers were anyhow? Could have been a Warholl-inspired octogenarian on walkabout from his home for all we know.

Similar clarion calls of outrage were sounded when some spiky-head anarchos (no offence mate ) bedecked the statue of Winny outside Westminster with a rather fetching turf mohecan. People were seriously suggesting the old bill should have fought a pitched battle to defend the great warmonger's honour; a cleanup crew and a lick of paint proved a rather more viable solution, as I imagine they will here.

I think this incident and others like it deserve should be a cause for concern. The lack of respect for the "old train" is likely to transfer to a lack of respect for other people and depending on the level that vandals are prepared to go with their level of disrespect this can have much more serious implications.

There may be other 'worse' things to worry about, but you are still allowed to care about the little things and try and make a difference. My mum stopped 3 lads kicking in a phonebox the other day... We are now being harrassed by these boys and their mates, they are throwing missles at our house, hurling abuse and even went as far as entering the house last night. How much further will they go? Will the next step be throwing missles at us and causing serious injury or entering the house and stealing something? Either way it goes beyond vandalism and up to the next level of concern.

Don't know about anyone else, but I've just never understood why anyone would want to damage anything anyway. I can't see that it would be fun. Why bother? What's the point? And if the intention is to hurt people who own the thing/have put a lot of work into something, then we really do need to worry - lack of empathy is one of those little things on the road to sociopathy... I know ultimately it's just things, but things and respect for things is surely what makes the everyday world tick over pleasantly...