It sounds like a pretty horrible place to live to be honest no one takes any notice of any rules, and by the way I know of lots of places where you cant smoke in the resturants.
by Cat
there is no such thing as a non smoking section over here and in the few places you cant smoke, like the airport, no one pays any attention to it. the police there smoke so everyone else does too.
i've seen about 5 no smoking signs since i've been here, usually in the places that also say no dogs (also few and far between, i can take my dog into bakeries, restaurants, even the local butchers dont mind her). And, like i said, none of these places bother to atually enforce their smoking ban.
The Big Smoke Debate
The chance to have your say about passive smoking.
The London Health Commission is running the Big Smoke Debate to find out your views on smoking in enclosed public places: cafes, shopping centres, taxis, offices, restaurants, pubs, bars and railway stations.
This is something that affects all people who live or work in London, whether they smoke or not.
If this goes through then the mayor may well lobby for a complete smoking ban in London.
If you wish to have your say then go to
http://www.thebigsmokedebate.com/
(Edited by Koala 28/10/2003 11:09)
The London Health Commission is running the Big Smoke Debate to find out your views on smoking in enclosed public places: cafes, shopping centres, taxis, offices, restaurants, pubs, bars and railway stations.
This is something that affects all people who live or work in London, whether they smoke or not.
If this goes through then the mayor may well lobby for a complete smoking ban in London.
If you wish to have your say then go to
http://www.thebigsmokedebate.com/
(Edited by Koala 28/10/2003 11:09)
But this place was totally non smoking, including the bar areas, lounge etc etc. it got a lot of press coverage for being unique (well in east anglia) but still failed.
by Stoo
Pffft, the local Beefeater here doesn't allow smoking an any of the restaurant area, if you want to smoke, you have use the bar downstairs.
It's been like that for years.
Perhaps on the coast but not inland. believe me, there isnt one non smoking restaurant or a restaurant with a non smoking area anywhere in Alhaurin.
by JtB
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It sounds like a pretty horrible place to live to be honest no one takes any notice of any rules, and by the way I know of lots of places where you cant smoke in the resturants.
And actually it's a fab place to live! i wouldnt go back to big-brother, you-cant-do-that, jobsworth, taxed-until-you- bleed UK for all the money in the world! not even for a holiday.
and strangly, for a place so lax about enforcing it's laws, there's very little crime. the other night people even went door to door asking who owned a dog called Lucy 'cos she'd dropped her (gold plated!) collar. Hows that for honest!
A little smoke isnt a high price to pay, IMHO.
(oh and T, just come in the summer and eat alfresco. even the nightclubs are open air in the season)
Funny that, because, as much as I love going on holiday, I love my country. But, then, I guess a place is what you make it and if you are always whining about it and just concentrating on the negatives, then it will be a bad place to live. And, call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to dine at restaurants where they've heard of basic hygiene and don't allow canines to eat alongside their owners.
by Cat
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i wouldnt go back to big-brother, you-cant-do-that, jobsworth, taxed-until-you- bleed UK for all the money in the world! not even for a holiday.
Still, I guess you always think the grass is always greener on the other side...
(Edited by Whistler 06/11/2003 19:41)
How is this any better than draconian anti-smoking measures? I can't see how any reasonable smoker can be content to inflict their habit on everyone else, effectively ghettoising non-smokers who aren't content (or able in many cases) to sit in a fug.
by Cat
I think it's time all you smokers came and joined me!
1st, a carton of silk cut is 25 euros, take 2 hrs to travel to Gibrlter and they are £7 a carton. i think you're paying something like £50 for a carton now.
2nd, you can smoke absolutly everywhere! supermarkets, department stores, even banks! the banks also put little sweeties by their ashtrays so you can have a suck after your puff!!!
there is no such thing as a non smoking section over here and in the few places you cant smoke, like the airport, no one pays any attention to it. the police there smoke so everyone else does too.
i've seen about 5 no smoking signs since i've been here, usually in the places that also say no dogs (also few and far between, i can take my dog inot bakeries, restaurants, even the local butchers dont mind her). And, like i said, none of these places bother to atually enforce their smoking ban.
<edit> Oh, and on a side note, shortly before i left the UK Suffolk had it's 1st totally non smoking restaurant. it lasted 2 months!
(Edited by Cat 03/11/2003 17:52)
Laissez-faire cuts both ways!
I had to go home early the other night because I started choking when I tried to join my friends in a rather smokey bar. My right to go out and enjoy myself wasn't respected then.
Me too. Spain.
by Whistler
I love my country
I realised this was my home the first time i went back to the UK. I was so pleased to be home (spain) i nearly cried when mum picked me up from the plane. The UK was like a nightmare for the few days i spent there.
It's not perfect here, there are things i dont like and others i've become used to, though not fond. But i do love it here.
Most of the year it isnt a problem. you'll never go into a bar or restaurant with it's windows and doors closed unless it's raining. And in rain like you get here, only the brave and foolhardy venture out
by Byron
How is this any better than draconian anti-smoking measures? I can't see how any reasonable smoker can be content to inflict their habit on everyone else, effectively ghettoising non-smokers who aren't content (or able in many cases) to sit in a fug.
today was 30 degrees, tables outside every bar and restaurant were full, therefor no fugg problem.
Something which struck me while browsing BBC news:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3235148.stm
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/3235820.stm
Most of the info we have regarding passive smoking is for those sharing a house with someonewho smokes (the latter article cites a 25% increased chance of heart disease and lung cancer). Particular concern is for children in the home.
However, there does not appear to be the same info for the effects in public places, yet that is where the debate is focused. With the exception of those who work in these places, those simply having a drink or a meal are not exposed to second-hand smoke for very long or very regularly. Children, particularly, are far less likely to be exposed to these situations than in the those in the home.
I'm not quite sure what to make of such observations, but it struck me as a strange sense of priority.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3235148.stm
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/3235820.stm
Most of the info we have regarding passive smoking is for those sharing a house with someonewho smokes (the latter article cites a 25% increased chance of heart disease and lung cancer). Particular concern is for children in the home.
However, there does not appear to be the same info for the effects in public places, yet that is where the debate is focused. With the exception of those who work in these places, those simply having a drink or a meal are not exposed to second-hand smoke for very long or very regularly. Children, particularly, are far less likely to be exposed to these situations than in the those in the home.
I'm not quite sure what to make of such observations, but it struck me as a strange sense of priority.
This will probably get me in trouble with my Emmy, but
I think smoking should be banned in some places, such as restuarants and cafes, and as for pubs and clubs, well I'm not so sure about that. However I hate stinking of it and I can smell it for days afterwards usually. I worked in a pub for a while after I finished school and I hated the stink afterward. Ruined a perfectly good set of jeans. Got washed so much they fell apart.
I've tried smoking. It left a minging taste and I then spent a fortune on chewing gum. Plus as Emma does smoke socially, she tastes really minging afterward (sorry babe but it's true. I still love you though).
As for the health thing, well I've seen enough pictures and films to make me want to vomit as to what it does to your insides. And the people who have to live with the breathing difficulties afterwards. I'm not saying we should just ban smoking, because that will just increase the influx of illegal imported cigarettes from mainland europe. I just think people should realise what they are doing to themselves. Both my parents used to smoke and that really put me off. Itried to find out what all the fuss was about and landed on the no-way side of the argument.
So what do I think? Well I agree with whats already been said. I choose not to smoke. I don't really appreciate having to breathe in other peoples smoke, but as I don't want to be a social leapre I'm forbearing.
Oh and I should mention that Emmy and I have an agreement where she doesn't smoke when I'm with her (I really do appreciate that babe!!)
So....... I've managed to confuse myself. I just like fresh air. Nuff said really.
I think smoking should be banned in some places, such as restuarants and cafes, and as for pubs and clubs, well I'm not so sure about that. However I hate stinking of it and I can smell it for days afterwards usually. I worked in a pub for a while after I finished school and I hated the stink afterward. Ruined a perfectly good set of jeans. Got washed so much they fell apart.
I've tried smoking. It left a minging taste and I then spent a fortune on chewing gum. Plus as Emma does smoke socially, she tastes really minging afterward (sorry babe but it's true. I still love you though).
As for the health thing, well I've seen enough pictures and films to make me want to vomit as to what it does to your insides. And the people who have to live with the breathing difficulties afterwards. I'm not saying we should just ban smoking, because that will just increase the influx of illegal imported cigarettes from mainland europe. I just think people should realise what they are doing to themselves. Both my parents used to smoke and that really put me off. Itried to find out what all the fuss was about and landed on the no-way side of the argument.
So what do I think? Well I agree with whats already been said. I choose not to smoke. I don't really appreciate having to breathe in other peoples smoke, but as I don't want to be a social leapre I'm forbearing.
Oh and I should mention that Emmy and I have an agreement where she doesn't smoke when I'm with her (I really do appreciate that babe!!)
So....... I've managed to confuse myself. I just like fresh air. Nuff said really.
There's an interesting article in this morning's Liverpool Daily Post about a pub that banned smoking in all areas in June and has since seen a 60% rise in alcohol sales and 100% rise in food sales.
Link to full article here.
(Edited by DJ Billy 27/11/2003 10:13)
Link to full article here.
(Edited by DJ Billy 27/11/2003 10:13)