Tangent 21 - Buffy Ep 20

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Sydney

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21:52
May 16 2002

Buffy Ep 20 - Villains

OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!

That was amazing. I can't believe how scary that episode of Buffy was. Talk about making your blood run cold. (And that was - no doubt - the edited version) plus we are obviously coming to the "lets blow all the special effects budget coz there's only two eps left" stage. Which is good.

Ok, where to start?

Alyson Hannigan was amazing in this episode. The range of emotions displayed from dispair to anger to absolute fury to cold determination was chillingly authentic. I wouldn't fancy getting in the way.

Had to laugh at Andrew and Johnathan discussing Matthew Broderick - but immediately felt guilty laughing at such a dark episode.

My heart went out to Dawn when she discovered Tara's body. Hasn't the poor girl been through enough?

Had to say that given everything else that was going on Spikes little dallience with the nasty demon didn't interest me in the slightest. Who cares when Willow's going Psycho Hose Beast on everybody?!?

The piece de resitance has to be the final scenes in the woods. Not sure I wanna see the uncut version. That was bad enough i can't believe that Willow would do something *that* bad no matter how hurt and bent on vengence she was.

Then there's the matter of her final words. "One down." So, the implication of this is "Two to go" and the obvious meaning is that she's going after Johnathan and Andrew (But they didn't do anything much - poor johnathan) A more sinister meaning could be 'one down' as in Willow has sucumbed to the Dark Side and Buffy and Xander could soon follow - Or am I reading too much into this?

I soooooooooooo can't wait for next week. I hope sky shows the finale as a single episode.

Definately interested to hear the opinions of others on this, particularly those who have considered this a weak season.

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Ethan You Rasclart!

Ding Dong, the witch is dead

Indeed, obviously Warren never asked around for a shot of a sandblaster for his chest after he hit puberty

shame about the cuts too...

Posted: 19:21 May 17 2002

Eve "There's no secret handshake. There's an IQ prerequisite, but there's no secret handshake"

I LOVED this ep!! It was really scary!! Willow looked sooooo cool!

Poor Dawn when she found Tara!

The end was fantastic it was really eerie(sp?) when you realised she really is evil

"bored now"
oo er!

Its quite upsetting when you compare her to original sweet, innocent Willow!

Cant wait for the next eps!!

BTW I thought Warren had a T-shirt on at first!!! Someone give the boy some immac!!!

Posted: 19:52 May 17 2002

Whistler "I wonder wonder why the wonder falls. I wonder why the wonder falls on me. I wonder wonder why the wonder falls, with everything I touch and hear and see."

by Ethan
Ding Dong, the witch is dead

Take that back, you nasty person you!!

Another great ep as people have said. I think people are reading too much into Willow's 'One down....' comment. She sees Jonathan and Andrew as part of Warren's gang and, therefore, just as culpable. Now that she's killed Warren, she's got a taste for it (anyone else see similarities with Faith's downfall here??) and she's going after these two.

This is pure conjecture, but Willow's 'development' here can now only go three ways, IMO:-

1) She is killed at the end of Season 6 (either by Buffy or another force)

2) The arc continues into Season 7 (which seems the most likely) and continues to be the Big Bad in that season.

3) She is either defeated in the S6 finale, or early into S7, and her 'story' is a sub-arc of her path to redemption. However, that's already been done with Angel, and Faith to a lesser extent.

Still, it will be ineteresting to see how this all pans out.

And, yes, very much am liking Clam. Can see him becoming a full time Scooby in S7

(Edited by Whistler 21/05/2002 11:30)

Posted: 11:29 May 21 2002

TinnionA97 Everything I say is a lie, except that, and that and that and that.

The One down comment is linked to the next episode, which is called two to go. Personally, I didn't really like this episode. It was good, but kind of senseless. The best thing for me was the cool gadgets warren used to try and stop willow. Methinks I've been watching too much Alias. Angel was a lot better, in the end this episode was kind of dull and predictable. You won't hear me say Angel's better a lot, but in this case it was.

Still, I am looking forwards to the next two episodes of Buffy, it is so cool, especially what happens to spike at the end. I have to say, I never saw that coming. But I'll comment more when the final episodes have shown.

Posted: 12:17 May 21 2002

Yally Don't kill anyone until we get back to you!

Watched this on Saturday and I think it was pretty cut. I wasn't really paying attention either, so that didn't help. What happened to Spike at the end?

Posted: 14:02 May 21 2002

KieranFrost "In my house, anyone who uses one word when they could have used ten, simply isn't trying hard enough." Bartlet

by Whistler
2) The arc continues into Season 7 (which seems the most likely) and continues to be the Big Bad in that season.

For me, I think this is most probable, BUT I think, since it most likely will be the final season, that Willow AND Spike will team up as the baddie duo, against Buffy, both with good reasons, not a ham fisted one.

I don't think Willow will die, it's too soon, I think Josh Whedon would want more Bad Willow, I think this is a build-up.

But who cares, it's going to be amazing

Posted: 15:20 May 21 2002

Astronut What I wouldn't give for a lasso and some crazy glue...

by Yally
Watched this on Saturday and I think it was pretty cut. I wasn't really paying attention either, so that didn't help. What happened to Spike at the end?

I think she's referring to the end of the season - and I hope we don't get any more comments before it is shown here (subtle hint

)...

I can wait, I know I can

Posted: 17:08 May 21 2002

White Hart So long, and thanks for all the fish.

by Astronut
I think she's referring to the end of the season - and I hope we don't get any more comments before it is shown here (subtle hint )...

If anyone tells me *anything* about the next two episodes I will go all Dark Willow on them and that's a promise

I'd heard a lot of spoilers for the last couple of weeks, but nothing since, and I want to keep it that way for once!

Posted: 19:59 May 21 2002

gobstopper Eventually, I'll think of something witty to put here ;-)

***Posted without reading any comments***

I suffered brain failure on Thursday when I set the timer on my video to record Buffy & Angel (I am, alas, never in on a Thursday evening) but neglected to actually switch the timer on!

Imagine my reaction on discovering my mistake when I got home. (

followed by

- you can see where this is going...)

Though there is no way back with Angel, I at least satisfied myself with the small satisfaction of being able to get the (often edited) repeat on Saturday evening. This week, for reasons I cannot think of, dear old Sky decided not to repeat Thursday's ep and showed "The Zeppo" instead -

This did nothing to improve my mood...

If anybody out there is able to sort me out a copy of the relevant eps, I would be most greatful and I will be happy to sort out postage and provide a replacement tape.

Contact me via e-mail, my address is in my profile.

Hopeful Thanks.

(Edited by gobstopper 26/05/2002 00:55)

Posted: 00:47 May 26 2002

TheFly

Episodes 21 and 22 will be repeated uncut as a single episode on Sunday 2 June at 10pm. Avoiding Sky's spoiler-ridden trailers between now and then will be quite a challenge though...

Posted: 09:46 May 26 2002

gobstopper Eventually, I'll think of something witty to put here ;-)

by TheFly
Episodes 21 and 22 will be repeated uncut as a single episode on Sunday 2 June at 10pm. Avoiding Sky's spoiler-ridden trailers between now and then will be quite a challenge though...

Thanks for the info, but unfortunately the one I have missed was episode 20.

Posted: 13:04 May 26 2002

TheFly

Hmm - episode 20 WAS repeated last Saturday, albeit in hugely cut form. I could send you a VCD of episode (in uncut form), but I don't have it on VHS.

Posted: 15:07 May 26 2002

gobstopper Eventually, I'll think of something witty to put here ;-)

by TheFly
Hmm - episode 20 WAS repeated last Saturday, albeit in hugely cut form. I could send you a VCD of episode (in uncut form), but I don't have it on VHS.

Hmmm, maybe I've lost count. But I thought that last Thursday's ep (23rd May) was number 20 - If it's not, then it's possible that I've missed another one somewhere along the line!

Posted: 16:37 May 26 2002

TheFly

The 23 May episode was 6x21, "Two To Go", the penultimate episode of the season. This was not repeated yesterday, but will be alongside episode 22 on 2 June, forming a 2-hour season finale. Episode 20, "Villains", aired the week before, was severely cut, and was repeated on the Saturday (cut even further).

(Edited by TheFly 26/05/2002 16:45)

Posted: 16:43 May 26 2002

gobstopper Eventually, I'll think of something witty to put here ;-)

In which case (and this is where my arithmetic may be betraying me) was the season opener counted as 1 or 2 eps - being a two hour broadcast?

Posted: 17:20 May 26 2002

White Hart So long, and thanks for all the fish.

'Bargaining' was a 2-part ep and was counted as eps 1 & 2, if you've just counted it as one then that's probably where you're confused

Posted: 17:43 May 26 2002

gobstopper Eventually, I'll think of something witty to put here ;-)

by White Hart
'Bargaining' was a 2-part ep and was counted as eps 1 & 2, if you've just counted it as one then that's probably where you're confused

Ah! OK, I understand the episode numbers now.

Still missed last Thursday though...

Posted: 19:27 May 26 2002

babydoll I don't exercise. If God had intended me to bend over, he would have put diamonds on the floor.

Probably a bit late to add to this but wanted to say that the whole 'bored now' line was probably more than just a reminder of the whole vampire willow thing. Didn't Angel sort of suggest that vampires are more than just a demon inhabiting a human host at the end of the dopelgangland episode when Willow was complaining about Vampire Willow being 'kinda gay'. At the time it seemed like a nod towards the whole Tara relationship to come but it could also indicate that Willow always had a darker side than she let on and thats why she was one of the Masters best vampires when she was turned.

Dunno, what do others think?

Posted: 13:22 Sep 10 2002

In a State of Dan That's just, like, your opinion, man

by babydoll
Probably a bit late to add to this but wanted to say that the whole 'bored now' line was probably more than just a reminder of the whole vampire willow thing. Didn't Angel sort of suggest that vampires are more than just a demon inhabiting a human host at the end of the dopelgangland episode when Willow was complaining about Vampire Willow being 'kinda gay'. At the time it seemed like a nod towards the whole Tara relationship to come

Although it wasn't:

by Jane Espenson, found here
Every now and then heÂ’ll plant something and he doesnÂ’t realise that itÂ’s going to pay off later. In DoppelgÃ¤ngland, Willow is observing Evil Willow and she says, "I think sheÂ’s kind of gay". Joss didnÂ’t know that was going to pay off later, that the Willow character in fact was gay but, sure enough, it paid off.

I suspect it's similar with the 'bored now' thing.

Posted: 13:50 Sep 10 2002

Sydney You can lead the whore to culture but you can't make her think!

hummmmmm - I think Dan is right with gay comments regarding Evil Willow, but the 'Bored Now' line was too well placed to be accidental.

Bearing in mind that its always easier and more likely to reference back than to hint at something before the event

Posted: 14:21 Sep 10 2002

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