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by KieranFrost
Um... with everyone wondering how he's gonna get out, here's an idea. HE'S GOT SUPER STRENGTH. If he fought everyday for an hour, it would be absurd if he couldn't break free.

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Fought how? He's tightly bound by (one presumes) high-tensile steel cables. You know, like the things that hold up suspension bridges? What's he supposed to do, flex his manly boob muscles? Besides the fact that after a few days without blood, he's probably gonna lose his strength, which isn't that super in any case.

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Everything buckles adventurly and, when Angel was imprisoned by Gunn, it took a few hours, but he finally busted through the METAL WALL!!!!

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If I remember rightly, he actually broke through a wooden panel to reach round to the lock in 'Warzone', and he had free use of his limbs.

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by Keenangel
What did you all think of it?

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Sadly ... "Thank goodness that's finally over."

With the whole super strength thing, yes Angel, as a vampire, has it. It's something both Buffy and Angel 'conveniantly' forget. Humans CAN'T fight vampires, they are totally out matached. That's why I hate it in Buffy when Xander fights, and manages to hold ground, HE SHOULDN'T!!!! Why have a 'slayer' with super powers, if an agile human would do???

It's an issue Buffy and Angel should try to remember, instead of fob of that "oh it's okay, vampires are only unbeatable when we say"

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by In A State Of Dan
What's he supposed to do, flex his manly boob muscles?

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Now that would be an episode

I did forget the blood part, after two days he would be drained, oops

It's simple guys, it all comes down to the plot of the next few episodes and has nothing to do with practical measurements of Angel's "superstrength".

If for the purpose of the plot, Angel needs to rescue someone, his "superstrength" will somehow be sufficient to allow him to escape. If it's Angel that needs rescuing for the purpose of the plot, his superstrength will fail him.

Simple as that. Why? Because otherwise the plot falls to pieces.

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by MonSTeR
It's simple guys, it all comes down to the plot of the next few episodes and has nothing to do with practical measurements of Angel's "superstrength".

If for the purpose of the plot, Angel needs to rescue someone, his "superstrength" will somehow be sufficient to allow him to escape. If it's Angel that needs rescuing for the purpose of the plot, his superstrength will fail him.

Simple as that. Why? Because otherwise the plot falls to pieces.

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MonSTeR's quite right. This was brought home with BBC2's recent re-showing of "What's My Line (Pt1)" where Angel was trapped by Kendra in a cage at Willy's Alibi that *I* could kick my way out of, but he was trapped til dawn's light nearly incinerated him. Why? 'Cause otherwise he wouldn't have still been there when Spike came to collect him.

There's also the 'Anne Rice thing' to take into consideration. When under stress or in moments of angst, vampires can forget they have superstrength and be weedy.

But also, I wouldn't mind watching him escape by flexing his manly boob muscles.

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by KieranFrost
With the whole super strength thing, yes Angel, as a vampire, has it. It's something both Buffy and Angel 'conveniantly' forget. Humans CAN'T fight vampires, they are totally out matached. That's why I hate it in Buffy when Xander fights, and manages to hold ground, HE SHOULDN'T!!!! Why have a 'slayer' with super powers, if an agile human would do???

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That so annoys me too! Also the times when our heroes react extremely slowly, run like a slug, super hearing fails them, etc, etc.
I despair of the inconsistencies - and especially when not only Xander but Cordelia and even "normal" Willow can hold their own physically against "super strong" vampires!!


I started to speculate that Buffy's "weak" times might be due to "lunar cycles" - but it happens too often.

So then how about she pulls her punches most of the time not wanting to cause unnecessary pain - but against vampires she should have no excuse but to cut free and pummel.

Then again "energy cannot be created or destoyed" so what if the Powers regulated her strength so there is enough to share with the others fighting the good fight. That would mean in the hour of need even Xander could be beefed up and be surprised at his own strength (but he probably wouldn't realise it at the time!).
That would also mean Buffy would have to "earn the right" to wield maximum power and not piss off the Powers by using it unwisely.

Well that was fun... butMonster's quote is the "real" explanation:-

"If for the purpose of the plot, Angel needs to rescue someone, his "superstrength" will somehow be sufficient to allow him to escape. If it's Angel that needs rescuing for the purpose of the plot, his superstrength will fail him."


(Edited by Alf 21/06/2002 00:01)

The sooner we all stop worrying about plot consistency, the better, then...

Has any TV series ever had true plot consistency. I doubt it because if TV drama was like real life - no one would watch it. yey to inconsistancies in the plot

Dramatic licence, yay... glaring inconsistencies, nay :disgruntled: