Tangent 21 - Angel s4, Ep 3: The House Always Wins

Posted by
Keenangel

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22:29
Feb 06 2003

Angel s4, Ep 3: The House Always Wins

So, what did you think of this episode??.

Angel keeping an eye on his boy. Another mention of a spiritual retreat and this time they're going to Vegas!!!!... to see Lorne of course.

And Wesley and the phone sex with Lilah!!!.. is this the same guy from Season Three Buffy?????

He's as far away from that persona as he could possibly be!!!. Still think it's a great improvement!

It was great to see the green one back. And was that a Muppet song he was singing?.. the one about being green? because i seem to remember back in the distant mists of time, Kermit the frog singing that one

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Angel reminiscing about the last time he was in Vegas- apparently he knew Bugsy Siegal,was acquainted with the Rat Pack and was at Elvis and Priscilla's wedding!!! wow!, the vamp got around!

I thought it was an okay episode, it passed the time.

And Cordelia is back... but she obviously has no memory of the hotel and the gang... got to be interesting

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Alf For every complex problem there is a solution that is simple, neat... and wrong!

I didn't rate this ep. story wise but it was good to see Lorne back and strutting his stuff!

The only thing Wesley has in common with the guy in Buffy series 3 is the name!! I reckon this "demon hunter" must have gotten possessed somewhere down the line!

The eps seem to be developing a knack of ending with a shock and giving me a "I can't wait to see the next ep" feeling.

(I wish Fred would start a Yorkshire pudding and tripe diet!
She needs some cover on them bones!!).

Posted: 00:35 Feb 07 2003

MonSTeR No big eyes! No magic powers! No giant robots!

I liked the episode as a "rescue Lorne" type deal as from the season start we'd been led to beleive that he didn't care anymore, when in fact he'd been taken prisoner.

But I had HUGE issues with Angel's cavorting in the 60s in LA with the Rat Pack and Elvis when he was supposed to be suffering eternal torment for the acts his committed as a vampire. We talked about it in the "spoilers" section in THIS thread for a while, but I'm still not happy with Angel having all that fun, when he was supposed to be lamenting his actions

(Edited by MonSTeR 07/02/2003 12:03)

Posted: 12:02 Feb 07 2003

MonSTeR No big eyes! No magic powers! No giant robots!

by Keenangel
And was that a Muppet song he was singing?.. the one about being green? because i seem to remember back in the distant mists of time, Kermit the frog singing that one .

Yeah it was Kermit I think or maybe his nephew Robin? But definately the Muppets

Posted: 12:04 Feb 07 2003

In a State of Dan That's just, like, your opinion, man

I thought it was woeful. Not quite as bad as certain episodes from last season, but just very little to it.

As someone else has written, it's basically 42 minutes of filler, where the only points of interest are that we get Lorne and Cordelia back. To which the first, yay, and the second, well, I'll reserve judgement for the moment, but it's not looking promising.

Still, Lornes song was fun, and Fred was incredibly cute, and um.. that's about it really.

Posted: 15:42 Feb 07 2003

Barbara No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. --Eleanor Roosevelt

The storyline wasn't that great.

Fred does look really pretty this season.

Cordy's back!?

I give this eppy 6/10.

Posted: 20:28 Feb 07 2003

Whistler "I wonder wonder why the wonder falls. I wonder why the wonder falls on me. I wonder wonder why the wonder falls, with everything I touch and hear and see."

Yup, it was good to see Lorne back, and singing, but very average ep at best.

Posted: 23:23 Feb 07 2003

ROMBA

Thought it was an okay episode.
It was great to see Lorne in Las Vegas.
I thought Fred looked good disguised as one of Lorne's dancers.

Posted: 10:38 Feb 08 2003

Acker No power in the 'verse can stop me.

I really liked this episode, and I thought Fred was great when she dressed up as one of them Pylean girls.
I thought it was a bit dumb when Angel went all slot machine, and I too didn't think it was right about Elvis' wedding. Hum.
I thought it was quite interesting that a demon was being used by humans, 'cause that doesn't really happen on Angel (or Buffy) very often, usually demons killing humans or whatever.

Posted: 14:04 Feb 08 2003

Whistler "I wonder wonder why the wonder falls. I wonder why the wonder falls on me. I wonder wonder why the wonder falls, with everything I touch and hear and see."

by Acker
I thought it was quite interesting that a demon was being used by humans, 'cause that doesn't really happen on Angel (or Buffy) very often, usually demons killing humans or whatever.

Well, to be a bit pedantic (

), it wasn't Angel's 'demon' that was being used by the humans, it was his soul. The owner of the casino was stealing the hopes and aspirations from people and then making a profit with them on the black market. The fact that Angel happened to be a vampire was a coincidence and had he been there as Angelus, I'm sure he would have been immune to what was going on.

(Edited by Whistler 08/02/2003 14:56)

Posted: 14:55 Feb 08 2003

In a State of Dan That's just, like, your opinion, man

by Whistler
Well, to be a bit pedantic (), it wasn't Angel's 'demon' that was being used by the humans, it was his soul. The owner of the casino was stealing the hopes and aspirations from people and then making a profit with them on the black market. The fact that Angel happened to be a vampire was a coincidence and had he been there as Angelus, I'm sure he would have been immune to what was going on.

Erm, I think he's talking about Lorne, not Angel.

Still, it didn't strike me as at all a new thing on Angel. Wolfram & Hart have been doing it since Season 1.

Posted: 14:59 Feb 08 2003

Whistler "I wonder wonder why the wonder falls. I wonder why the wonder falls on me. I wonder wonder why the wonder falls, with everything I touch and hear and see."

by In a State of Dan
(quotes)
Erm, I think he's talking about Lorne, not Angel.

Good point

Posted: 16:03 Feb 08 2003

FiveByFive I was being like, sarcastic, or whatever

by MonSTeR

But I had HUGE issues with Angel's cavorting in the 60s in LA with the Rat Pack and Elvis when he was supposed to be suffering eternal torment for the acts his committed as a vampire. We talked about it in the "spoilers" section in THIS thread for a while, but I'm still not happy with Angel having all that fun, when he was supposed to be lamenting his actions

(Edited by MonSTeR 07/02/2003 12:03)

But was he cavorting and having fun? He wasn't invited to Elvis' wedding and was drunk and surly, and he met the rat pack two or three times whilst drinking.

We know that he was fairly together in the 50's when living in the hotel, but a complete shambling wreck in '95 when Whistler found him.

It's quite reasonable to think he could have spent a portion of the 60's drinking heavily to escape the guilt, and what better place to be drunk all the time yet completely unnoticed than Las Vegas?

And I think him washing over the truth a little to look cool to Fred and Gunn is entirely in character

Posted: 11:30 Feb 10 2003

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