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good episode. 
The Cordy and Connor thing...ewww!
The Cordy and Connor thing...ewww!
Posted: 12:55 Apr 18 2003
Angel Season 4, Ep 13: "Salvage"
Angelus is on the loose!!.
This was a good episode, and it's always good to have Faith back in the mix.
Anyone recognise "Deb" from the prison scene??.. she was also the psycho-cop, one of the "three" from the Buffy ep "What's My Line"
The team think that Angelus killed Lilah, and i thought vampires didn't feed on already dead people.. i'm probably wrong on that one.
Connor just plain annoyed me all episode. I wanted to smack him one, i really did. And the boy so needs a haircut!.
Oh, and Cordelia is the Beasts' Master (as she's now evil Cordy, shouldn't we rename her Cordelius or something?
) and her "give mama some sugar".. blech!
I loved Faith in this whole episode. She seems very much more mature now with few or none of the wise-ass remarks from the Buffy and Angel s1 days.
I loved how Faith dealt with Connor.
When Angelus hears there's a Slayer in town, he rings Sunnydale and finds out "it's the other one"
The final scene was very good. The "Welcome Faith" sign which spoiled the surprise element. The way she faced off to the Beast with a running commentary from Angelus. Facing off against Angelus, but breaking the window behind him letting in the now-restored sun, especially that last bit, was, to me, very reminiscent of the season 2 Buffy days The way Angelus walked off like he did
And Cordelia at the very end, her quip of how Connor must be his father's son with his thing for Slayers. Then she told him they were having a baby... the look of absolute horror on Connor's face. I get the feeling Cordelia (or Cordelius) needs someone on her side, and Connor is it.. playing on how he feels about her etc. But that kiss at the end just made me shudder.
This was a good episode, and it's always good to have Faith back in the mix.
Anyone recognise "Deb" from the prison scene??.. she was also the psycho-cop, one of the "three" from the Buffy ep "What's My Line"
The team think that Angelus killed Lilah, and i thought vampires didn't feed on already dead people.. i'm probably wrong on that one.
Connor just plain annoyed me all episode. I wanted to smack him one, i really did. And the boy so needs a haircut!.
Oh, and Cordelia is the Beasts' Master (as she's now evil Cordy, shouldn't we rename her Cordelius or something?
) and her "give mama some sugar".. blech!I loved Faith in this whole episode. She seems very much more mature now with few or none of the wise-ass remarks from the Buffy and Angel s1 days.
I loved how Faith dealt with Connor.
When Angelus hears there's a Slayer in town, he rings Sunnydale and finds out "it's the other one"
The final scene was very good. The "Welcome Faith" sign which spoiled the surprise element. The way she faced off to the Beast with a running commentary from Angelus. Facing off against Angelus, but breaking the window behind him letting in the now-restored sun, especially that last bit, was, to me, very reminiscent of the season 2 Buffy days
The way Angelus walked off like he did And Cordelia at the very end, her quip of how Connor must be his father's son with his thing for Slayers. Then she told him they were having a baby... the look of absolute horror on Connor's face. I get the feeling Cordelia (or Cordelius) needs someone on her side, and Connor is it.. playing on how he feels about her etc. But that kiss at the end just made me shudder.
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Thought this was a good ep.
I was surprised Wesley wasn't limping after he and Faith landed on that car.Guess ExWatchers are made of tough stuff LOL.
Great to see Faith again.Thought the fight scene with her and The Beast was good.
I was surprised Wesley wasn't limping after he and Faith landed on that car.Guess ExWatchers are made of tough stuff LOL.
Great to see Faith again.Thought the fight scene with her and The Beast was good.
Posted: 14:22 Apr 18 2003
I thought this was a brilliant episode. The fight scenes with Faith were really well choreographed. The fight between Faith & The Beast with Angelus providing commentary was good but how much of a pasting did Faith get!! The Conner/Cordelius (
@ Keeny) thing is disturbing and I didn't realise they would incorporate Charisma Carpenters pregnancy into the storylines like that. This to me has been the best series of Angel so far...a bit gutted that Lilah is dead though..I liked that character.
@ Keeny) thing is disturbing and I didn't realise they would incorporate Charisma Carpenters pregnancy into the storylines like that. This to me has been the best series of Angel so far...a bit gutted that Lilah is dead though..I liked that character.
Posted: 15:26 Apr 18 2003
The whole thing with the knife was really, really stupid. Beast makes knife out of his body, gives it to Cordelia, who stabs Lilah with it, even though the hotel is full of other weapons. She then takes it back to the Beast and leaves it lying around for no apparent reason, so Angelus can find it. I think I almost liked the way the Beast was killed in Angels retarded fantasy..
The Wes/Lilah scene was great. Very reminiscent of 'Six Feet Under'.
Faith rocks, obviously. Finally someone to put Connor in his place. The escape from the prison was rather dodgy - jumping out of a third storey window with no knowledge of what's below with someone who doesn't have Slayer strength, but what the hey. It's good to have her back.
Angelus is completely and utterly unthreatening. There's some speculation that, now he's the star, they can't show him killing anybody. Whatever, it sucks. Speaking of unthreatening.. just how bad is Charisma Carpenters effort at doing evil?
The Wes/Lilah scene was great. Very reminiscent of 'Six Feet Under'.
Faith rocks, obviously. Finally someone to put Connor in his place. The escape from the prison was rather dodgy - jumping out of a third storey window with no knowledge of what's below with someone who doesn't have Slayer strength, but what the hey. It's good to have her back.
Angelus is completely and utterly unthreatening. There's some speculation that, now he's the star, they can't show him killing anybody. Whatever, it sucks. Speaking of unthreatening.. just how bad is Charisma Carpenters effort at doing evil?
Posted: 15:52 Apr 18 2003
Really enjoyed this. I thought that the thing with Connor and Cor was gonna play out like that - but still ewwwwww 
Good to see Faith back! I was unsure when i heard about this, but it worked really well, she brought the gang together and also was cool that she handled Faith
Connor was annoying me too....he seemed to be a bit spoiled brattish. Not one of his best eps.
Good to see Faith back! I was unsure when i heard about this, but it worked really well, she brought the gang together and also was cool that she handled Faith
Connor was annoying me too....he seemed to be a bit spoiled brattish. Not one of his best eps.
Posted: 20:16 Apr 19 2003 
Okay, so when has Connor not been 'spoiled brattish'. That's essentially his character isn't it? Show me an ep when he hasn't been like that.
by Ferretgirl
Connor was annoying me too....he seemed to be a bit spoiled brattish. Not one of his best eps.
Anyway, a great ep, nice to see Faith back and nice to see her taking control and slapping, metaphorically, Connor down a peg or two.
Not sure about Cordelia being evil. Like Dan said, she's not exactly setting the show alight at the moment in that role. Charisma is great at being bitchy and noble. But I think the jury is still out on whether she can do evil.
And pity about Lilah. Next to Lindsey, she was the best baddie the show has had. I haven't read any spoilers so maybe we haven't seen the end of her character in some shape or form yet. One can but hope.
Posted: 20:27 Apr 19 2003 When he was ickle
by Whistler
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Okay, so when has Connor not been 'spoiled brattish'. That's essentially his character isn't it? Show me an ep when he hasn't been like that.
He was actually rather sweet, even though i rarely like babies!But i dunno, last week, he just seemed more spoiled bratty
(Edited by Ferretgirl 19/04/2003 22:36)
Posted: 22:35 Apr 19 2003 
With Connor it's been about killing Angelus.. that's what he wants to do. He believes that Angel is Angelus, but with Angel keeping control of the demon (when not evil) and he's been brought up to believe that vampires, even with souls are the scum of the earth and deserve complete eradication, he doesn't see the shades of grey where his father is concerned. I think he just wanted the opportunity to kill his father and was put out to put it mildly when he was told that wasn't to be the plan.
Posted: 23:47 Apr 19 2003
Yeah, I know all that, and Connor is still a whining brat who needs to be put in his place. In the words of the comic book store owner in The Simpsons:
Worst.
Character.
Ever.
Worst.
Character.
Ever.
Posted: 23:50 Apr 19 2003
I actually didn't mind Conner too much in this episode - i thought his obvious soppyness over Faith was much more convincing than the moping about Cordy so that kiss at teh end didn't really ring true for me!
And I'm surprised no one has said anything about the new baby's parentage. Cordy looked way *too* pregnant to have been hiding it from the gang for so long - My first thought was 'that child ain't Conner's its the Beast's'
I thought Wes's scenes with Lilahs dead body were great! I was willing him to notice that it wasn't the vampire bite that killed her
One thing I have noticed about Angelus tho - He's just not evil enough anymore! Its really hard to explain, but when Angelus was in Buffy he came across soooooo evil and it was quiet disturbing at times. Maybe its because Angel isn't as broody as he used to be the whole contrast between Angel and Angelus isn't as clear cut - or maybe DB has just got lazy and thinks that putting on a sneery shouty voice is enough to come across as evil.
However, for the first time since Angel started I'm actally finding myself looking forward to teh next episode as much as I look forward to the next ep of buffy
(Edited by Sydney 22/04/2003 15:43)
And I'm surprised no one has said anything about the new baby's parentage. Cordy looked way *too* pregnant to have been hiding it from the gang for so long - My first thought was 'that child ain't Conner's its the Beast's'
I thought Wes's scenes with Lilahs dead body were great! I was willing him to notice that it wasn't the vampire bite that killed her
One thing I have noticed about Angelus tho - He's just not evil enough anymore! Its really hard to explain, but when Angelus was in Buffy he came across soooooo evil and it was quiet disturbing at times. Maybe its because Angel isn't as broody as he used to be the whole contrast between Angel and Angelus isn't as clear cut - or maybe DB has just got lazy and thinks that putting on a sneery shouty voice is enough to come across as evil.
However, for the first time since Angel started I'm actally finding myself looking forward to teh next episode as much as I look forward to the next ep of buffy
(Edited by Sydney 22/04/2003 15:43)
Posted: 15:41 Apr 22 2003
Sydney, you're right. I found that Angelus didn't seem so threatening once he was out of the cage. Not compared to Angelus in Buffy, the way he kind of moved around Sunnydale, watching and waiting for his moment. I personally found Angelus in this season's Angel to be far more threatening in the cage. More than once things that he said, or the looks he sent made me shiver.
And normally i don't mind Connor but this week i could've happily clouted him one for his attitude (must be the parent in me )
(Edited by Keenangel 22/04/2003 17:15)
And normally i don't mind Connor but this week i could've happily clouted him one for his attitude (must be the parent in me
) (Edited by Keenangel 22/04/2003 17:15)
Posted: 17:14 Apr 22 2003