If it's got tribbles and photon torpeadoes, it's Star Trek, everything else is negotiable.

Enterprise is driving the ratings, and whatever good reputation Trek is still leeching from Deep Space Nine down the galactic U-bend. Branagh and Berman are about as fresh as mummified stilton, and must be shown the joys of a P45. Enterprise must be cancelled, it's hopelessly tarnished now. The franchise should be handed over to some new blood, either old blood from another franchise or heaven forfend, a genuine up and coming talent. Give it a rest for a few years, and chance a new show and short memories.

It won't happen that way of course, but after Enterprise finally crashes at Warp 5 Paramount are going to have to sort the mess out, Trek's too valuable a cash cow to loose.

(Edited by Byron 19/01/2004 23:59)

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by Byron
Enterprise is driving the ratings, and whatever good reputation Trek is still leeching from Deep Space Nine down the galactic U-bend. Branagh and Berman are about as fresh as mummified stilton, and must be shown the joys of a P45.

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The joys of a P45? Heck, they deserve to be shown the joys of being at the wrong end of Sam Carter's P90 for what they have done to that once proud franchise!

I watched some of the first series, and to be honest I expected far more originality in a show that was set before the original one, but no. I was deluding myself. The extent of my delusion was painfully demonstrated by the fact the only about three episodes in, they had a holodeck. A holodeck for crying out loud! Over-used plot device much??

I agree totally with your evaluation, Byron. They need new blood in the writing team. The fact is that the viewing audience for this genre have become more demanding- purely because we all grew up with Trek, and as you get older you learn, so want more intelligent storylines. I think this is the reason why Stargate is trouncing Enterprise in the ratings- even though they're into season seven, they have a far less limited pool of ideas to draw from- heck, they can base tales in any culture from planet earth, and they don't have to worry about that pesky prime directive nonsense- bad guy? Fine, shoot him and liberate the poor schmucks, and wing it if any problems crop up.

There's also the fact that people don't want dyed in the wool heroes anymore- they want characters with flaws, that they can identify with. That are real and believable, to a degree.

Enterprise unfortunately has to stay true to all that has been seen before, so they can't use the really cool villians, and that has crippled them. Every script has to be careful that they don't upset the pre-determined timeline, so that strangles the creativity even further. Because it's set after the point when records are sketchy, they have to consider cause and effect with every single plot.

Time for them to put Enterprise to bed, and think of something else. If they give it a few years, the viewers may forgive them for Enterprise and tune in. Then again, they might not........

Um, sorry for rambling on a bit, lol.
I'll shut up now.

Kel

They should have done the post apocolyptic one that was mooted ages ago - starfleet in tatters from either an unknown phenomenon, or a big fight with some new species, and use the struggle of the last few starship crews to work out what happened, and how to try to rebuild things.

Then you can pretty much do what you like, as long as they didn't bring in any more of that time travel crap...

I'd like to see a Star Trek series that didn't primarily involve starfleet...how about set among the Maquis or something like that, no prime directive, plenty of scope for guest stars from TNG, DS9 or Voyager..it wouldn't even have to be restricted to the Maquis..just a smuggler group or something of that ilk.

I think the best way to save Trek would be to let it take a well earned break. For our generation, there are no new stories to be told, no brave new worlds to be discovered, no new civilisations to be sought. Picard, Sisko and Janeway have been there, done that and got the snazzy uniforms to prove it.

If the whole franchise was to take a 5 or 10 year break, they might have a fresh market to come back to.

Althernatively maybe Trek should take a lesson from George Lucas’ book… Some things are of their time and are best left as precious memories, after all… “All good things”

I'm in the 'give it a break' camp on this one. The Star Trek franchise has been going solidly for plenty long enough now and it's just burnt itself out. Give it a decade or two to rest, then bring it back. Even if they don't reinvent it somehow, after that time frame, people will be happy enough to see it.

The only other thing they could do is get rid of the TV show and concentrate on making quality, stand alone Star Trek films. I think with some good writing, they could do a very good series of action-epic based Star Trek films. I'd definitely only do this with an original set of characters though, not the worn out TV ones.

Blow up the Enterprise!!! It's always worked for me

Seriously though, the midden has hit the windmill, obviously prequels just aren't entertaining, and as for post voyager, well that show confirmed my views of it being short sighted with the last episode. Take Transphasic torpedoes, abladive armour and quantum slipstream and you gice Starfleet the ability to very quickly map out and populate the entire galaxy whilst bringing armageddon down on anyone who causes trouble, there's no hardship anymore.

Well am I glad that I never got to watch "Enterprise" after reading the guys and gals posts. woohhhooo!

I agree that Picard, Sisko and Janeway should all rest in peace...i love the reruns anyway.
My fondest memories of TOS, TNG, DS9 n Voyager will be from the Star Trek Exhibition held January 2003. I just loved roaming around Quarks bar and standing on the bridge of Jean-Luc's NC1701 D/E (cant remember exactly!). It was such a joy to see all the costumes worn by my heroes...needless to say I felt like a small child in toytown!

There have been a handfull of really promising episodes of Enterprise, including the Twilight which airs on Sky next Monday (Feb 23rd).

If you want to see them almost cracking it , and doing a concept worthy of classic trek (not to mention a canny tie in to Wrath of Khan), check it out.

I posted this thought on another thread, but it seems just as relevant here, if not more so.

Has anyone considered this:

TNG has run its course. Everyone knows that. Everyone also knows that not since TNG has there been a solid successful Star Trek show. DS9 was cool, but had limited potential. So did Voyager, and it was less cool. TNG was the only show with broad reaching "exploration" asperations, which is what Star Trek was based on: "Where no man has gone before". They lost that, and if they don't want the franchise to die then they have to get it back. How do they do that?

They tried with Enterprise, but it isn't working. They need a carryover, a likeable character that draws in the old trekkie enthusiasts. They thought the name Enterprise would do that, but it didn't. They need a character to gel the show around. And this is where Nemesis comes in.
Has anyone considered that this movie, which is all but admittedly the last TNG film, is intended to serve as a setup for a new, yet familiar, series, one that can revive the early TNG show enthusiasm and appeal?

Hense, I give you Star Trek: Titan, starring Captain Riker, Troi, and a new crew on a ship that finally goes back to the central Star Trek theme, space exploration.
That should be Burman's focus, and if he doesn't realize it then he is an idiot. The franchise is floundering, and only going back to its roots can save it.

If this wasn't the intention of Nemesis, then it had better be made so, and quick.

Trekkies don't care about Enterprise. Its the past, history. They don't even really care about the Kirk era. Its cool to do crossover episodes, and look back at it, but it isn't a solid basis for a show. Trekkies want to see what happens next.

So either lets launch Titan as the next 24th century exploration show, and get back to what works, or just screw it, and skip to the 25th century. Thats what they did when the original died, and it worked.

Maybe we need a fresh start in the next century, open up a whole new world of possibilities, and generate some enthusiasm and excitement. Who knows, 100 years later maybe we will be allied with the Romulans, and back at war with the Klingons.

That is what Trek is all about, possibilities.

Engage.

Enterprise in fantastic it is my favorite srious, people don't like it because it is too realistic